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2008-08-20 07:01 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@239.Red-83-41-113.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-20 09:31 flips, ping 2008-08-20 11:07 pong 2008-08-20 12:59 -!- SEJeff(~jeff__@66.151.59.138) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-20 13:00 sejeff, pong 2008-08-20 13:00 flips, Sorry about that. Just curious about when you want to get together 2008-08-20 13:00 Or when is good for everyone 2008-08-20 13:00 we need to send around a ping 2008-08-20 13:00 about now 2008-08-20 13:00 shapor, ping 2008-08-20 13:05 email ping sent round 2008-08-20 13:05 too bad pgquiles is thousands of miles away 2008-08-20 13:05 flips: but pings are fast through ocean cables :-) 2008-08-20 13:06 we need a webcam 2008-08-20 13:06 problem is, the beer does not transmit well 2008-08-20 13:07 We could snailmail beer goggles and a webcam though 2008-08-20 13:07 I've got a webcam 2008-08-20 13:07 it does not transmit beer properly, though 2008-08-20 13:08 send it back for a new one 2008-08-20 13:08 shops here do not sell beercams to geeks :-( 2008-08-20 13:08 Too bad 2008-08-20 13:09 the remote taste models will be out soon but I don't think they have very good resolution 2008-08-20 13:10 Yeah might want to stay away from that... Imagine the jokes cruel people would play on you 2008-08-20 13:10 gawd 2008-08-20 13:32 pong 2008-08-20 13:32 flips 2008-08-20 13:32 hi 2008-08-20 13:33 shapor 2008-08-20 14:09 flips, So where is this going to be again? 2008-08-20 14:09 just emailed 2008-08-20 14:09 Barneys, hahaha awesome 2008-08-20 14:09 barney's 2008-08-20 14:09 Gravy on EVERYTHING if you want it 2008-08-20 14:09 we can meet there and go whereever 2008-08-20 14:09 sure, and breakfast 24/7 2008-08-20 14:09 something like that 2008-08-20 14:09 or is that... um 2008-08-20 14:09 Yeah that works 2008-08-20 14:09 ACTION is not sufficiently aculterated 2008-08-20 16:06 flips, ping 2008-08-20 16:07 sejeff, pong 2008-08-20 16:07 bringing along at least 1 maybe 2 hackers 2008-08-20 16:07 :-) 2008-08-20 16:07 there should be enougj beans to go around 2008-08-20 16:07 Yup 2008-08-20 16:13 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-20 22:30 -!- m0rg0th(~m0rg0th@220.225.246.18) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-20 22:49 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1731 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnapd.c: Crapectomy: remove misconceived and broken memory monitor idea forced on us by a technically incompetent google manager. 2008-08-20 22:53 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1732 10/www/index.html: Update project page to remove noncontributors 2008-08-20 23:06 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1731 build success 2008-08-20 23:32 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1731 install success irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Thu Aug 21 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-21 02:02 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1731 test success 2008-08-21 10:15 flips, shapor ping 2008-08-21 10:15 Just curious if you're going to hop on the dronelabs jabber channel 2008-08-21 10:35 dronelabs? 2008-08-21 10:40 flips, dronelabs is the umbrella name for the group christian started 2008-08-21 10:40 Think of them as the next ximian, but not going commercial 2008-08-21 10:41 drones@conference.extremeboredom.net 2008-08-21 10:41 We normally hang out in there. 2 of the guys just left for work though 2008-08-21 14:21 -!- CIA-5(cia@208.69.182.149) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-21 17:48 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has left #zumastor 2008-08-21 23:30 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Fri Aug 22 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-22 01:12 -!- natalie(~nataliep@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-22 02:25 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@239.Red-83-41-113.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-22 08:22 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@239.Red-83-41-113.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-22 08:41 -!- SEJeff(~jeff__@66.151.59.138) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-22 10:25 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-22 10:32 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@239.Red-83-41-113.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-22 11:24 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-22 13:36 -!- SEJeff(~jeff__@66.151.59.138) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-22 21:06 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1733 10/trunk/ddsnap/ (7 files): Remove deadweight code checked in by a deadweight google manager 2008-08-22 21:23 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1733 build success 2008-08-22 21:48 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1733 install success 2008-08-22 23:36 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1734 10/trunk/zumastor/zs: 2008-08-22 23:36 Prototype version of Zumastor in Python. Similar or identical ocmmand set to 2008-08-22 23:36 Zumastor. Slight improvements to the filesystem database. Is there value in 2008-08-22 23:36 keeping compatibility with the old db format? Not really, there are few 2008-08-22 23:36 production deployments of Zumastor so far. The value of cleaning up the 2008-08-22 23:36 database outweights the time required to redefine volumes. Maybe. Somebody 2008-08-22 23:36 could write a database convert script (in bash!) if they felt strongly about it. 2008-08-22 23:42 + opts, args = getopt.gnu_getopt(args, 'h:d:w:m', 2008-08-22 23:42 ['hourly=', 'daily=', 'weekly=', 'monthly=']) 2008-08-22 23:42 -- something in the zumastor-commits chain wraps patches 2008-08-22 23:43 ah, I see zs has my knockoff the the dos tree command 2008-08-22 23:53 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1734 build success irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sat Aug 23 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-23 00:13 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1734 install success 2008-08-23 00:23 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1733 test failure 26 2008-08-23 01:12 shapor, I am highly dubious that removing the event interface would cause snapshot diffs to change 2008-08-23 01:13 therefor I find the test failure suspect 2008-08-23 01:13 I have seen this before: seemingly inconsequential changes causing that snapshot diff test to fail 2008-08-23 01:14 I wonder if it just fails every so many attempts 2008-08-23 01:16 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1735 10/trunk/ddsnap/Makefile: Remove unused tests from makefile 2008-08-23 01:48 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1735 install success 2008-08-23 01:48 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1735 build success 2008-08-23 02:52 flips: that test has been failing intermittently 2008-08-23 02:52 right 2008-08-23 02:52 i looked at it before 2008-08-23 02:52 I just did an intentional noop checking 2008-08-23 02:52 test looks right 2008-08-23 02:52 and it succeeded 2008-08-23 02:52 hmm 2008-08-23 02:53 real bug? 2008-08-23 02:53 probably not 2008-08-23 02:54 well. 2008-08-23 02:54 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1734 test success 2008-08-23 02:54 I noticed 2008-08-23 02:54 oh 2008-08-23 02:54 the bot talking to me 2008-08-23 02:54 me talking to the bot 2008-08-23 02:54 that is a bad sign 2008-08-23 02:55 huh? 2008-08-23 02:55 I think we need to a) decide if we are going to continue this test regime then b) make it work on normal machines 2008-08-23 02:55 me talking to the bot is a bad sign 2008-08-23 02:55 means I'm up too late 2008-08-23 02:56 the most recent failure was what looks like incorrent data in the control file 2008-08-23 02:56 the file it creates in /tmp that it compares to the ddsnap device 2008-08-23 02:56 later 2008-08-23 02:56 and the control obviously cannot be wrong... 2008-08-23 02:57 right 2008-08-23 02:57 so lets see what could make this not do as expected... 2008-08-23 02:57 kay 2008-08-23 02:57 I am getting iattr.c started 2008-08-23 02:57 yes "some string" | dd of=/tmp/contorlfile bs=4k count=1 2008-08-23 02:58 yes "some string" | dd of=/tmp/contorlfile bs=4k count=1 seek=some_number 2008-08-23 02:58 one wonders what happens when the string isn't exactly the right length 2008-08-23 02:59 also, what about the data seeked past? 2008-08-23 03:00 no that part is fine 2008-08-23 03:00 its like an incomplete write 2008-08-23 03:00 ddsnap isn't even in the path of that 2008-08-23 03:01 seems to me some noise data is slipping in between the cracks 2008-08-23 03:08 no noise, it just looks like that yes method is getting interrupted 2008-08-23 03:08 could be a signal or something 2008-08-23 03:08 or some weird virtualization thing 2008-08-23 03:08 its running under kvm or something right? 2008-08-23 03:10 uhuh 2008-08-23 03:11 I don't know 2008-08-23 03:11 i just ran this test on my system for the last few minutes 2008-08-23 03:11 to test the theory why not cat something other than yes into it 2008-08-23 03:11 while (true); do yes "123" | dd of=/tmp/contorlfile bs=4k count=16 status=noxfer 2>/dev/null ; yes "abc" | dd of=/tmp/contorlfile bs=4k count=1 seek=10 conv=notrunc status=noxfer 2>/dev/null ; uniq -c /tmp/contorlfile |grep abc; done | grep -v 1024 2008-08-23 03:11 hasn't hit it yet 2008-08-23 03:12 flips: thats what its doing already 2008-08-23 03:12 yes is passed a string 2008-08-23 03:12 you can see it in the commit message 2008-08-23 03:12 http://zumastor-commits.googlegroups.com/attach/fba394aa2ecf9ec5/snapshot-microtests.sh.log?view=1&part=24 2008-08-23 03:12 I meant use some other method of generating text than yes 2008-08-23 03:13 well "yes" seems to be working fine in this test 2008-08-23 03:13 echo hello>file; cat file | blah 2008-08-23 03:13 ok 2008-08-23 04:53 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@239.Red-83-41-113.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-23 05:44 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1735 test success 2008-08-23 12:19 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-23 13:33 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-23 22:31 -!- flips(~phillips@phunq.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sun Aug 24 00:00:02 PDT 2008 2008-08-24 04:17 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@239.Red-83-41-113.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-24 12:12 hi, are there 3rd party rpms available for zumastor on rhel5? or alterntively will patches from the most current version work against a 2.6.18 kernel? 2008-08-24 13:30 you can install from the tarball on rhel5 2008-08-24 13:30 2.6.18 is ancient 2008-08-24 13:30 for money we can make it run on 2.6.18 2008-08-24 13:31 so, the good news is you can install zumastor on rhel5, the bad news is the kernel patch as it stands will not work because the rhel5 kernel is too old (if that is what rhel5 is using) 2008-08-24 13:32 use a newer kernel 2008-08-24 14:52 flips: what does that "for money" mean? that you/Google are providing commercial support for Zumastor or that you can be bribed? 2008-08-24 14:52 can be bribed 2008-08-24 14:52 :-D 2008-08-24 14:52 :) 2008-08-24 14:53 beer works too 2008-08-24 14:55 mmm beer will certainly prejudice you to add ddsnap support to 2.6.18 but I wonder how well you can code after the bribe is paid in beer :-P 2008-08-24 14:56 that would be a lot of beer 2008-08-24 14:56 course it depends also on the quality of the beer 2008-08-24 14:59 hehe, well unfortunately xen is dependant on 2.6.18 :( 2008-08-24 14:59 http://beermonthclub.com/ 2008-08-24 15:00 soundsoldier: mmm you should be able to build a kernel with Xen support using 2.6.22, maybe newer kernels will do, too 2008-08-24 15:00 soundsoldier: at least, I was able to build a xen + zumastor kernel for ubuntu a few months ago 2008-08-24 15:00 pgquiles: I'll have to give that a shot 2008-08-24 15:00 I'm looking to build a zumastor + xen + drbd kernel :X 2008-08-24 15:01 soundsoldier: IIRC it's still available from my PPA: http://launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive 2008-08-24 15:01 soundsoldier: it's not difficult, only time-consuming 2008-08-24 15:02 so the platform of choice would appear to be debian based, eh? 2008-08-24 15:02 I've been debating on weather to use something debian based or redhat based 2008-08-24 15:02 flips: I was here last week: http://www.anaesthesic.be/delirium/carte/?lang=en 2008-08-24 15:03 soundsoldier: out of curiousity whats your application for zumastor? 2008-08-24 15:03 2000 beers :-P 2008-08-24 15:03 soundsoldier: there are updated packages for ubuntu from the zumastor PPA: http://launchpad.net/~zumastor-releases/+archive 2008-08-24 15:03 wanting to use writable snapshots for virtual servers or something? 2008-08-24 15:03 :-) 2008-08-24 15:03 shapor: I'm interestd in using it for local snapshots of a drbd multi-master volume 2008-08-24 15:04 a belgium beer called delerium is available bottled here 2008-08-24 15:04 soundsoldier: the very same script which builds the ubuntu kernel packages should be usable with debian kernels 2008-08-24 15:04 in some drinking spots 2008-08-24 15:04 of course ubuntu-server makes more sense if you want commercial support 2008-08-24 15:04 hmm ddsnap + drbd, thats certainly never been tried 2008-08-24 15:05 shapor: yeah rw snapshots would be ideal but I don't know how that would pan out 2008-08-24 15:05 shapor: in terms of multi-master I mean 2008-08-24 15:05 shapor: for live migration 2008-08-24 15:06 I'm thinking I can snapshot the underlying lvm volume on a regular basis and save space over cow snapshots 2008-08-24 15:06 soundsoldier: so the write "path" would be app -> drbd -> ddsnap storage + (every so often) ddsnap snapshot 2008-08-24 15:06 ? 2008-08-24 15:07 pgquiles: yeah, its all in my mind right now, I haven't been able to test anything...but what I'm thinking is the apps write directly to drbd and then those drbd volumes are snapshotted on a regular basis 2008-08-24 15:08 so I'm thinking of it from a strictly backup and recovery perspective, I'd like to play with r+w snapshots at some point too 2008-08-24 15:08 soundsoldier: if you only have 2 servers, ddsnap replication provides no advantage over drbd, IMO 2008-08-24 15:09 pgquiles: I don't think drbd provies any historical recovery functionality 2008-08-24 15:09 soundsoldier: sorry, bad explanation. What I mean is if you only have 2 servers, use drbd for replication and ddsnap for snapshotting but not replication 2008-08-24 15:10 ah ok 2008-08-24 15:10 drbd replication is real time, ddsnap replication is not 2008-08-24 15:11 if you have more than 2 servers, you cannot use DRBD, so ddsnap replication would make sense in that case 2008-08-24 15:11 the ddsnap snapshots are essentially "de-duped", right? 2008-08-24 15:12 I don't understand "de-duped" :-? 2008-08-24 15:12 soundsoldier, somewhat 2008-08-24 15:12 blocks are shared between snapshots 2008-08-24 15:12 de-duped compared to lvm snapshots 2008-08-24 15:12 so baseline size + change delta or something along those lines in terms of storage requirements? irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Mon Aug 25 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-25 03:15 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@239.Red-83-41-113.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-25 05:17 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@6.Red-81-39-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-25 10:49 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-25 11:00 -!- mitchg(~mitchg@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-25 14:01 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-25 15:08 -!- nataliep_(~nataliep@74.125.58.1) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-25 15:47 -!- caoliver(~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-25 16:01 -!- caoliver(~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) has left #zumastor 2008-08-25 19:21 -!- soundsoldier(~soundsold@backdrift.org) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Tue Aug 26 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-26 00:15 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 04:03 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@6.Red-81-39-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 04:55 -!- flipz(~phillips@phunq.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 07:23 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@189.Red-81-44-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 09:46 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 11:13 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 11:41 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 19:10 -!- tim_vimm(~Tim@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 19:10 -!- tim_vimm(~Tim@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has left #zumastor 2008-08-26 19:41 -!- Guest3735(Tinting@61.173.39.216) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-26 19:41 -!- Guest3735(Tinting@61.173.39.216) has left #zumastor 2008-08-26 20:13 evening folks, I'm curious how far fetched it would be to get ddsnap working in a 2.6.18 kernel 2008-08-26 20:23 -!- flipz(~phillips@phunq.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Wed Aug 27 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-27 04:47 -!- clochette(~clochette@ANantes-257-1-135-233.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-27 05:55 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@189.Red-81-44-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-27 12:25 -!- SEJeff(~jeff__@66.151.59.138) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-27 14:56 so I went ahead with building a 2.6.18 kernel and I did get it to compile the module, however when I attempt to insert the module I see this: http://pastebin.com/m3581901f What would I need to do to fix this? 2008-08-27 14:57 ACTION looks 2008-08-27 14:58 soundsoldier: it looks like you are missing some modules which ddsnap depends on 2008-08-27 14:58 part the the dm-ddsnap interface needs to be changed. 2008-08-27 14:58 the code depends on recent features added to device mapper 2008-08-27 14:59 no good reason for that 2008-08-27 14:59 ah I see, unfortuneately I think thats beyond my realm of expertise 2008-08-27 15:00 the "send beer" link is on the page 2008-08-27 15:00 hehehe 2008-08-27 15:00 oh, on the tux3 page 2008-08-27 15:00 but it should work for zumastor as well 2008-08-27 15:01 I mean is making zumastor work on the 2.6.18 kernels something that the project is interested in? 2008-08-27 15:04 soundsoldier: how much beer can you provide flips with? 2008-08-27 15:06 looks like 12 per-month 2008-08-27 15:07 is it a matter of re-writing ddsnap or back-porting the new interface into 2.6.18 2008-08-27 15:10 It is mainly a matter of giving flips beer. He has plenty of coding time and expertise 2008-08-27 15:12 just a backport 2008-08-27 15:13 That would mean ddsnap on CentOS / RHEL which would be pretty huge 2008-08-27 15:13 xen as well 2008-08-27 15:14 Once hardware virt is more prevalent in production servers, xen will die anyways 2008-08-27 15:15 vmware worried? 2008-08-27 15:15 Well redhat is rewriting an equivalent of vmware's virtual infrastructure with their ovirt.org project. vmware should be worried 2008-08-27 15:17 yeah over the next few years I think kvm will pick up in popularity and xen will begin to die off 2008-08-27 15:18 vmware has the windows market so I think that might be tougher to dissove 2008-08-27 15:18 vmware has VI and vmotion 2008-08-27 15:18 ovirt will take on VI directly 2008-08-27 15:18 vmotion just needs to be built into ovirt. Then you have the same product for free 2008-08-27 15:18 yeah essentially, however the levels of optimization are different 2008-08-27 15:19 What do you mean? 2008-08-27 15:19 "levels of optimization"? 2008-08-27 15:19 vmotion = policy based live migration engine 2008-08-27 15:19 I know, I'm talking mostly about performance and management 2008-08-27 15:20 vmware has a pretty good product, I guess they will do ok 2008-08-27 15:20 main effect of red hat's effort should be to make it available more widely 2008-08-27 15:20 so flips, how does this beer site work? 2008-08-27 15:20 I give you my address, you give them your credit card# and beer arrives 2008-08-27 15:21 we then use that beer for cabal meetings 2008-08-27 15:21 which typically result in code being written 2008-08-27 15:21 sounds good 2008-08-27 15:22 out of curiousity what would the best version be to backport the device mapper interfaces from? 2008-08-27 15:23 most recent kernel patch irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Thu Aug 28 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-28 03:12 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@189.Red-81-44-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-28 04:48 -!- CIA-4(~CIA@208.69.182.149) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-28 08:37 -!- CIA-5(~CIA@208.69.182.149) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-28 09:48 -!- CIA-5(~CIA@208.69.182.149) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-28 13:22 -!- CIA-5(~CIA@208.69.182.149) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-28 23:18 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Fri Aug 29 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-29 07:10 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@189.Red-81-44-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-29 10:17 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-29 12:45 -!- zbot(wan@209.67.252.126) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-29 14:32 -!- SEJeff(~jeff__@66.151.59.138) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-29 20:51 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sat Aug 30 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-30 05:49 -!- flips(~phillips@phunq.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-30 12:08 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@195.Red-83-41-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-30 13:44 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@161.Red-83-41-44.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-30 17:20 -!- pgquiles__(~pgquiles@161.Red-83-41-44.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sun Aug 31 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-08-31 07:19 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@64.Red-81-44-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-31 10:36 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@153.Red-83-35-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-31 13:05 -!- soundsoldier(~soundsold@backdrift.org) has joined #zumastor 2008-08-31 13:08 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@153.Red-83-35-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor